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Wonder Woman (USA) di Brian Azzarello

Aperto da Azrael, 30 Agosto 2011, 12:00:11

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Non avevo aperto la preview... leggendo il numero ho incontrato la quarta pagina che c'è in Spoiler.

Numero ambientato a Firenze. Il negozio dovrebbe essere la Bella e la Bestia, ma siccome in originale è Beauty and The Beast e siccome Google traduttore traduce Beauty con Bellezza, mi pare ovvio mettere sulla vetrina "Bellezza e la Bestia".

:capocc:

Ma io dico, va bene che in USA nessuno se ne accorgerà... ma cosa ci vuole a documentarsi un attimo?!
Basterebbe andare su wikipedia, cercare Beauty and The Beast e poi cliccare dal menu a sinistra Italiano per vedere come è stato tradotto da noi.
30 secondi? 40?

:eddai:

:lolle: :lolle: :lolle:

Va beh.. vado avanti a leggere.. :lol:

Meno male che in questo numero c'è Cliff.

Post Uniti: 22 Marzo 2012, 00:26:49

Altra cosa che mi sfugge:
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Azzarello comunque mi sta piacendo molto:
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Wonder Woman gains some insight into her heritage, and it's not very pretty.
Spoilers below.

The Good
Putting my conflicted feelings regarding the massive changes made to Wonder Woman's identity and heritage in issue #7 of her ongoing series aside, this was a phenomenal issue. I can't even fake it. I literally had one of those "my mind has been blown," moments reading this issue. Needless to say, it's a little bit bittersweet -- but I'll get into that later. If you haven't yet read issue #7 of WONDER WOMAN then you probably should do so before reading this review. If you thought it was shocking when Azzarrello made Zeus Wonder Woman's father, then prepare to be even more shocked. Major changes are made not only to Wonder Woman's character, but Azzarello paints a dark portrait of Diana's "sisters" in this issue.

As a story, this comic is fantastic. Everything from the pacing and dialogue to Cliff Chiang's gorgeous pencils knock this issue completely out of the park. The story is really well written and it portrays Diana as this incredibly bold, courageous and compassionate character -- which she is. In fact, if there is one thing that has been consistent in Wonder Woman since the launch of the new 52 it's that Wonder Woman has maintained the attributes of her character she has always had. She continues to be compassionate, strong and courageous. However, everything around her is very, very different.

Azzarello has also been developing Diana's supporting cast which is definitely interesting. The characters really play well off of one another because they are so different. They certainly have an interesting dynamic.

This isn't a bad issue. As much as I am uneasy about what happened in this book, I can't deny that this is a good story because it is.

The Bad
My complaints are somewhat personal because Azzarello made such drastic changes to Wonder Woman's history and the identity of the Amazons. Essentially, he has changed them from being a group of compassionate warrior women, to women who are conniving, deceptive and man-hating who (essentially) seduce men to become pregnant and then kill them when they are no longer of any use. The worst of it though is what they do if any of them gives birth to a young boy. The girls are idolized while the boys are cast aside.

These changes will be difficult for any Wonder Woman fan to swallow, and will leave many wondering whether Azzarello simply didn't have it in him to write a compelling story without having to dramatically alter so much of Diana's (and the Amazon's) history and identity. Having said that, I can't say it doesn't make for an interesting story. Because it is a good story, as much as it bothers me to admit. I was at the edge of my seat at every turn, even if I had a difficult time reading it because I did not agree with the changes.

The Verdict
This is by no means a bad issue. There are a lot of changes made to cannon, (which left me uneasy) but it is a good, solid, well written, beautifully illustrated story. In addition, thechanges made to the Amazon's aren't really that far out. Infanticide and infant abandonment is said to have been commonplace in Ancient Greece, and practiced by Greek city-states like Sparta, for example. If Azzarello used the Spartans as an example for his story (a city-state built on the warrior mentality) does that make sense? Do the changes made to the Amazons make them more closely line up with some ancient hellenistic traditions and practices? Something to think about.

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"Wonder Woman" #7 by Brian Azzarello and Cliff Chiang is easily the most difficult review I've had to write yet. Even now I remain incredibly conflicted.

Unfortunately, though "Wonder Woman" continues to be compelling, well written and beautifully drawn, there are plot developments and character reveals in this issue that will be difficult for long-time (and new?) readers to swallow. In this issue, Azzarello presents The Amazons as the absolute worst kind of people -- killers, borderline rapists, baby killers, abandoners and liars. Although there is some basis in mythology for making those choices, it's a very extreme decision to embrace all of them all at once. It also seems rather unbalanced as we're presented with none of the things that might be redeeming about The Amazons -- exceptional warriors of honor and heart or any number of other attributes. Since Azzarello also killed them all off several issues ago, there is no chance for redemption. In the end it feels like needlessly dragging them through the mud.

Azzarello's take on Wonder Woman has seemed to be one of stripping away everything Diana thinks she knows and believes. There's an interesting story there in breaking down a character and building them back up, but in this case I'm just not sure it's worth it.

For starters, this plot development simply doesn't make much sense. If this is a part of The Amazon culture, then why wouldn't Diana know about it? How can Diana be who we know her to be -- good and proud, strong and brave, honest and true, full of compassion and power -- and come from and/or agree with the supposed ways of Azzarello's Amazons? If The Amazons do not believe their actions to be shameful (and they do not seem to) then why hide them from Diana or anyone else? If Diana did not know, as Azzarello's story seems to imply, then we must assume Diana to be a naïve fool at best and galactically stupid at worst. If Diana is a naïve fool unaware she was raised by killers, rapists, liars and abandoners, how can we believe that she would she grow into the honorable, heroic and compassionate person she is when these are the people who raised her? Lastly, perhaps Azzarello is suggesting Diana's origin for coming to man's world (to help them, to bring them compassion, etc.) is different than what we know it to be. However, since he has not said as much, we must assume her mission is the same. Why would a group of dishonorable liars, thieves, killers, etc., send the best of themselves to man's world with a mission of any sort other than utter destruction? In the end, it's a bold and risky idea that feels executed for shock value and doesn't stand up to examination.

"Wonder Woman" has been a stand out among the New 52 and even this issue is in general a solid, well written book with one of the best artists in all of comics illustrating it beautifully, but I'm beginning to find the world and characters unrecognizable. I'm in favor of a fresh take on things and I was willing to accept new developments -- even those I didn't like (such as Wonder Woman being revealed to be the daughter of Zeus and thus a demi-god) because I don't believe the best work can come from being slavishly devoted to everything that came before, but this goes too far and is too profound a slap in the face.

As a feminist comics reader, it is tough to find great books starring female characters and I hoped that with such a fantastic creative team as Azzarello and Chiang we had found it in "Wonder Woman," a book and character deserving nothing but the best. However, The Amazons as an idea are not simply one-dimensional monsters -- flawed though they may be (as any fictional character or people should be) -- and presenting them as such sends a horrible message, especially in a medium and genre with so few positive strong female portrayals. At the end of the day, I tend to choose story over all else and if this truly served the story I would agree to come along, but Azzarello just doesn't get us there and as a result the book feels like a huge misstep in what was until now a fantastic run.

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Thanos

Mi sta piacendo molto WW, sembra quasi un Hercules: The Legendary Journeys in salsa moderna, almeno per quanto riguarda le divinità (e lo dico in modo molto positivo.)
Ho ritrovato in questo Wonder Woman un po' dell'Ercole Marvel che tanto mi mancava... Adoro il giocare con la mitologia.

Devo ammettere però che è l'unico comics che sto leggendo in originale che mi sta dando un po' di difficoltà linguistiche

Azrael



WONDER WOMAN #11
Written by BRIAN AZZARELLO
Art and cover by CLIFF CHIANG
1:25 B&W Variant cover by CLIFF CHIANG
On sale JULY 18 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US • RATED T
• A new story begins as APOLLO makes his play for ZEUS'S throne – and WONDER WOMAN is the last obstacle in his way!
• As ZOLA goes into labor, a hideous secret is revealed!
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TOP 5: WONDER WOMAN REBOOTS



5. Wonder Woman #1 (Vol. 1)
by William Moulton Marston and H.G. Peter

Wonder Woman was first introduced in All Star Comics #8 in December of 1941 with a nine-page origin story. Six months later, in the first issue of her own title, the Amazon Princess gets a new origin. Steve Trevor's crash-land on Paradise Island and the infamous Bullet and Bracers are still part of her back story, but Wonder Woman #1 introduced Diana's birth from clay, the Lasso of Truth, and the Purple Healing Ray (invented by Wonder Woman herself).



4. Wonder Woman #601
by J. Michael Straczynski and Don Kramer (character design by Jim Lee)

Never has a pair of pants caused so much outcry!
To celebrate a publishing milestone for Wonder Woman, DC handed the keys over to big-name writer J. Michael Straczynski. JMS wanted to shake things up, bring Diana down to street level and build her back up to her mythic stature. It was a decent plan with terrible execution. Four months into the run JMS took his ball and went home.




3. Wonder Woman #187 (Diana Prince: Wonder Woman)
by Denny O'Neil and Dick Giordano

Wonder Woman no more! In this infamous run by Denny O'Neil and Dick Giordano, Diana gives up her Amazonian super powers so she can stay in Man's World. In an effort to make the character modern and fresh, Diana dons a white jumpsuit and learns Kung-Fu — it's all very Emma Peel. The run has fallen victim to a ton of criticism over the years and is often looked at as a dark mark on the character. But aside from all the crying over Steve Trevor (there's a lot), O'Neil's Diana Prince was actually a lot of fun, and the artwork is stunning.



2. Wonder Woman #1 (The New 52)
by Brian Azzarello and Cliff Chiang (character design by Jim Lee)

Never has a lack of pants caused so much outcry!
A year after the JMS reboot, DC Comics wiped their entire slate clean and launched The New 52. Part horror story, part crime family drama, Brian Azzarello and Cliff Chiang are telling a story so very different from all the other superhero comic on the racks. A few controversial adjustments have been made to Diana's origin: she's now an illegitimate daughter of Zeus, and the Amazons are a more violent and antagonistic tribe of women. Wonder Woman still kicks some serious ass, and this is arguably one of the best books out of the DC reboot.




1. Wonder Woman #1 (Vol. 2)
by George Perez, Greg Potter, and Len Wein

After she was "erased" from existence in the final pages of Crisis on Infinite Earths, George Perez, Len Wein and Greg Potter brought the Amazon Princess back to the DC Universe. While the basics of the story remained the same, Wonder Woman's powers were adjusted to include Beauty from Aphrodite, Strength from Demeter, Wisdom from Athena, Speed and Flight from Hermes, Eyes of the Hunter from Artemis, and Truth from Hestia. This run also established Paradise Island as the mythical Amazon capital, Themyscira. Perez's Diana is not only strong and smart, but graceful and kind — the iconic Wonder Woman.
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Lo spillato perfetto sarebbe: Flash,Aquaman e WW
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