Progetti Futuri DC 5.0

[toky91]

Affleck al 99% è fuori.
Ha aperto una casa di produzione cinematografica indipendente e vuole dedicarsi a progetti indie lontano da franchise, IP importanti ecc...

Ci stanno gia pensando i miei uomini a chiudere la casa di produzione.

No boh ma comunque ci spero poco che ritorni, ma certo che un recast a sto punto quasi inevitabile, fa vomitare.
Potevano usare sta trama per il suo personaggio e dargli una degna fine perlomeno, ma capisco che con un Clark giovane serve anche un Bruce piu giovane.....ma cazz allora perchè Damian come primo Robin??? se fanno poi il film su Supergirl allora mi viene da pensare che dovranno recuperare anche Batgirl.
Cioè a storyline sto Batman nuovo sarà comunque gia piu vecchiotto degli altri? o una storia un po alternativa, in giovinezza trova già una Thalia e fanno il figlioccio

[Man of Steel]

James Gunn and Peter Safran Unveil Vision for the New DCU: Locked Scripts, a Unified Storyline and Wiggle Room

Fun, Inclusive Stories That Make People Happy

Gunn started the presentation with a long, deeply personal story about how as a child he didn't feel a connection with his parents. After seeing a professional, it was suggested that Gunn's parents show interest in what he was into – primarily reading comic books. One weekend his dad took him to Creation Comic-Con in Chicago, a weekend Gunn still says is the "best weekend I've ever had in my life." He wants to replicate that connection he had with his father (and, later, with other people in his life) with the unified DC Universe that he and Safran are mapping out with DC Studios.

"I want the world to be a better place than it is and I wish that I was a scientist or that I could go into politics. And I can't do any of those things," Gunn said. "The best thing I can do is to create stories about love and acceptance and everybody, no matter how diverse, being a part of one group."

Now, at least initially, this might not sound like a revolutionary concept (these are based on comic books, after all). But considering the dark and dour tone established by Zack Snyder's movies and disseminated across the rest of what was once known as the DC Extended Universe, it is different. And the fact that Gunn chose to lead with this sentiment, mere moments into his presentation for press, tells you how important it is to him.
A Unified Vision

Safran touted that the DC Universe will be "centralized under one creative vision" – namely that of himself and Gunn. He also said that they were "medium agnostic" and since DC Studios encompasses film, television, animation and video games, these characters and storylines could appear in a number of forms. "If we wanted to eight hours to tell it as a series, great, but if it fell into two hour movie, also great," Safran said.

Gunn was much more pointed, especially when it comes to analyzing the DC adaptatiosn of the past. "The history of DC is pretty messed up. It was f–ked up. There was the Arrowverse, there was the DCEU, which then split into the Joss Whedon 'Justice League' at one point and the Zack Snyder version," Gunn began. And he didn't spare himself, either, saying that he came along with "The Suicide Squad" which led to the "Peacemaker" series and the introduction of the off-the-wall character of Batmite. (Gunn also said that Warner Bros. "were just giving away IP like they were party favors to any creators smiled at them." Ouch.)

Under this new regime, Gunn and Safran are making a promise: "Everything from our first project forward is going to be unified." And they intend to keep that promise.

Finished Screenplays

Another commitment Gunn is making: to only go into production on movies with fully finished screenplays.

"This is a Hollywood thing, this isn't only a superhero movie thing," Gunn said. "But people have become so beholden to getting movies made no matter what. And we are not going to be making movies before the screenplay is finished. And if that means our plan has to shift a little bit, well, it's going to happen, we know it's going to happen. But we're not going to be making movies and putting hundreds of millions dollars into a film where a screenplay is only two thirds of the way done and we have to finish it while we're making the movie. I've seen it happen again and again. And it's a mess. And I think it's the primary reason for the deterioration and quality of films today, versus 20, 30 years ago."

Gunn went on to say that "The Suicide Squad" didn't have any reshoots and the latest "Guardians of the Galaxy" film for Marvel Studios only needed a handful of pick-ups, and that he isn't interested in making a movie for hundreds of millions of dollars and spending even more on reshoots. Still, he will be taking something from Marvel Studios – the idea that the movie isn't done until the very last second. Gunn just wants to do it cheaper and more efficiently.
Casting for Animation and Live-Action

Part of the cross-platform consistency Gunn and Safran are trying to cultivate includes casting. It's their idea that characters and storylines will shift from animated series to live-action and back again. And one performer will guide that character on their journey.

Gunn cited "Creature Commandos," an upcoming animated series for HBO Max that Gunn has written and will feature characters like Weasel and Rick Flagg, Sr., who connect to his version of "The Suicide Squad."

"These characters will then play out in other stories as themselves in live-action. Most of the people that we're casting, we're casting them so they can play them both in [animated] and in live-action," Gunn said. (Usually a character is cast in live-action and then, for animated series, either a soundalike is hired or an actor is cajoled and begged to reprise the role, oftentimes gumming up already complicated contracts. This leads to the relative inconsistency on something like Marvel Studios' "What If ...?" where different performers appear alongside the actual actors from the films.)

Another thing they are looking to do is erase the confusion that has been built up over the years by having characters played by different characters in the live-action series and movies. There has been a long-running "Flash" TV series and there's a "Flash" movie opening in theaters this summer. That's a lot. This new approach is simple: the characters on TV and in movies will be played by the same actor, something Gunn employed on "Peacemaker" and will extend in the upcoming "Waller," where Viola Davis will play the character she has played in several DC projects.

Allowing for Wiggle Room

One of the more refreshing aspects of Gunn and Safran's plan is that they full acknowledge that things can shift and slide, with things appearing or disappearing from their calendar. Beyond Gunn's commitment to getting the scripts right prior to production (something that he knows will undoubtedly cause hiccups somewhere along the line), he was refreshingly honest about making sure the quality is there and not just rushing something to meet a release date or streaming obligation.

"Some of the stuff might take a little bit longer and then other things might come in there along with that," Gunn said at one point.

The current plan is for two big, event movies a year and two series for HBO Max. But they are totally willing to listen to feedback and gauge reaction. The "Peacemaker" show, which became one of the best streaming shows, was born because Gunn liked John Cena's performance in "The Suicide Squad." Nobody was particularly asking for a spinoff. But Gunn saw the opportunity and took it. And that freedom will continue under this new regime.
Separate But Interconnected

Comparisons to Marvel Studios — where Gunn has made three "Guardians of the Galaxy" movies, a Christmas special for Disney+, a pair of rides for Walt Disney World and Disneyland, and who was being courted to run the entire "cosmic" side of the Marvel Cinematic Universe — were inevitable, especially given what Gunn and Safran are attempting to accomplish. And there was one aspect that Gunn was more than happy aligning with his former home – the fact that the movies and streaming series can be enjoyed on their own and in the context of the larger, overarching storyline. 

"It is very important to Kevin [Feige], as it is to me, that movies and TV shows are essentially standalone," Gunn said. "They don't only exist in addition to something else. We need the movie to make sense, watching it by itsetlf. And if somebody comes in and sees 'Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 3,' they'll understand basically what was going on whether or not they'd ever seen another Marvel movie before. That's a tradition that we are definitely keeping from Marvel."

There you go. The DC Universe can be enjoyed alone. Or together. Your choice really.
Assembling a Writers' Room

There weren't many details Safran and Gunn could share about who will be starring in or making these movies and television series, although, given Gunn's emphasis on the screenplays, there has been a writers room that has been assembled.

"We had basic ideas for what the story could be. That were very basic. And then I grabbed a group of writers that I really respected who have all done marvelous work. We sat down in a room for a few days and like any writers room, we started to bash out what the basic overall plan could be," Gunn said. "Not so much that it ties your wrist, but enough that we know what the basic story is, where we're going, and it's something that we'll continue to do."

This, too, recalls Marvel Studios' technique, at least in the early years, of corralling a bunch of writers to a retreat to map out the various arcs of the movies. And after a little cajoling, Gunn and Safran revealed who was in their writers room – Drew Goddard ("The Cabin in the Woods"), Jeremy Slater ("Moon Knight"), Christina Hodson ("Birds of Prey"), Christal Henry ("Watchmen") and acclaimed comics writer Tom King. Not too shabby.

https://www.thewrap.com/james-gunn-new-dc-universe-explained-details/

[Chocozell]

Comunque Gunn, nel video, tira una bellissima stoccata a Feige&MCU  parlando di libertà creativa e visione del regista

[toky91]

Io comunque ci sto, è giusto che siano stati eliminati Mos e BvS da questo nuovo DCU.
Il casino è iniziato proprio con Supes e Batman, ovviamente fa male vederli finiti così, ma la situazione era troppo incasinata come detto da Gunn, un universo troppo diviso in varie parti e niente di collegato tra TV e cinema ecc. e qualche film nemmeno connesso, dunque un pattume di roba a conti fatti.
Gunn e Safran hanno portato la formula Marvel, ma non proprio uguale.
Unificano tutto ma tralasciando le origini dei personaggi, ed ecco che qui si salvano i vecchi Aquaman Flash e Wonder Woman che possono tornare per i prossimi progetti senza problemi, anche perchè sono personaggi praticamente apparsi dopo, per un futuro che con lo Snyderverse non è mai successo tranne per gli stand alone, che potranno essere tranquillamente considerati canonici nel nuovo universo o cancellati poichè avevano niente di collegato a Justice League o qualcosa di leggerissimo.
Solo Flash avrà sicuramente collegamenti, ma tanto finirà col Flashpoint per buttare tutto nel gabinetto, no problem.
Se questi rifiuteranno di tornare si recastano pure loro come han detto e via.

[Man of Steel]

E allora che cazz riprende la Waller di Viola Davis, spin-off di Peacemaker, a sua volta spin-off di The Suicide Squad che a sua volta era uno pseudo-sequel della Suicide Squad di Ayer, team creato dopo gli eventi di MoS di Snyder, ambientato dopo la morte di Superman in BvS di Snyder?

Full of shit.

[toky91]

E allora che cazz riprende la Waller di Viola Davis, spin-off di Peacemaker, a sua volta spin-off di The Suicide Squad che a sua volta era uno pseudo-sequel della Suicide Squad di Ayer, team creato dopo gli eventi di MoS di Snyder, ambientato dopo la morte di Superman in BvS di Snyder?

Full of shit.

La squad di Ayer ormai non era piu considerata  ti devi basare su quella di Gunn al massimo, visto che è stata ripresa pure li nel ruolo.
Li dicono solo che Bloodsport ha ferito Superman col proiettile, ma nessuno è morto.
Poi vabbè, sicuramente sti peli nell'uovo non li avranno manco cercati, stanno tenendo tutto quello che ha funzionato di personaggi e basta, il resto riparte.
Si immaginava che sarebbe andata così.
Aspettiamoci un qualche ritorno nei film dei Guardiani tipo Batista o Chris Pratt, gente che Gunn ha gia rivelato vorrebbe riavere nei suoi prossimi film perchè si trova bene.
Batista ha sempre voluto fare Bane, e niente esclude che Gunn gli esaudisca sto desiderio vista la grande amicizia

[Man of Steel]

Perché Superman è ritornato in vita in JL.

Che poi Gunn abbia dipinto Superman in modo merdoso durante la sua breve carriera alla DC è risaputo, ma continuity-wise era tutto fattibile, di merda, ma fattibile.

Sta cosa che la Suicide Squad di Ayer non viene considerata non ha senso quando vedi chi interpreta Harley Quinn, Captain Boomerang, Rick Flagg e Waller.

Scherziamo?

Evidentemente Gunn non ha mai sentito il detto "kill your darlings" e si vede....

[toky91]

Mettetevela via, Snyderverse e ciò che ha portato non esiste piu  unica cosa che forse resteranno sono appunto Flash Aquaman e Wonderwoman riguardo gli eroi.
Un DC universe dove fanno piu successo solo una Wonder Woman e un Aquaman faceva ridere gia così ed era ora finisse.
Superman deve essere il primo, Batman il secondo e poi puoi fare tutto il resto e così stanno facendo.
Se questi attori non vogliono tornare si attaccano e non si fanno problemi a dare na ringiovanita pure a loro, ma sono attori ormai con una certa fama e schiera di fans, dunque avranno voluto tenerseli buoni.

Le 2 punte DC erano ormai alla rovina e malsfruttati, non si è d'accordo con la loro eliminazione, ma lo Snyderverse non veniva piu considerato da qualche anno e non c'è mai stato interesse a riprenderlo anche dopo la Snydercut.
Son cose che si sapevano gia e c'era da aspettarselo. punto.
Motivo per cui i film in uscita sto anno non li considerano nemmeno a quanto pare, saranno stand alone fine a se stessi perchè ormai li hanno fatti e finiti e devono incassare.
Flash resetterà tutto, non si sa ancora per il ruolo su Barry Allen ma questo dipenderà dall'attore, ma il resto finirà tutto in qualche buco nero.

[Man of Steel]

Lady Gaga interpreterà Harley Quinn nel sequel di Joker, ma chiedere di avere una nuova HQ nel DCU di Gunn è chiedere troppo.....ok, vabbo.

DC Slate Unveiled: New Batman, Supergirl Movies, a Green Lantern TV Show, and More from James Gunn, Peter Safran
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/james-gunn-unveils-dc-slate-batman-superman-1235314176/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

James Gunn On Future R-Rated DC Projects, Reveals Superman: Legacy's Rating
https://comicbook.com/dc/news/james-gunn-rated-r-superman-legacy-dc-studios/

James Gunn and Peter Safran Clarify Ben Affleck's Involvement in DC Studios Future

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/james-gunn-and-peter-safran-clarify-ben-afflecks-involvement-in-dc-studios-future/

James Gunn and Peter Safran Address Jason Momoa Lobo Rumors
https://comicbook.com/dc/news/james-gunn-and-peter-safran-address-jason-momoa-lobo-rumors/

Batman Movie Getting Another New Actor for Brave and the Bold Project With Damian Wayne
https://comicbook.com/movies/news/batman-movie-getting-another-new-actor-for-brave-and-the-bold-project-with-damian-wayne/

[Hughie]

Ottimi annunci. Curiosissimo per Authority, Swamp Thing e Superman.
Spero che la porta lasciata aperta a Gadot, Momoa e Miller sia un modo raffinato per levarsi anche loro dalle scatole, meno cose ci sono dello Snyderverse meglio è. Non leggo inoltre il nome di Johns fra gli sceneggiatori finora ingaggiati, altra ottima notizia.

[Man of Steel]

James Gunn, Peter Safran Vow to Put Screenwriting First to Fix the Once 'F—ed Up' DC Studios

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/dc-james-gunn-peter-safran-creative-vision-screenwriting-1235507276/

Ha smerdato i Marvel Studios non poco, lel.

[toky91]

Oh finalmente qualcosa.
Affleck è dentro seriamente, ma non per tornare in ruolo e finalmente l'hanno ammesso!
Io però pensavo da tempo che potrebbe restare legato al personaggio da regista...secondo me stanno pensando di farglielo almeno dirigere  addirittura però parlano di essere con lui in trattative per 2 progetti.
E bravo Ben, d'altronde mettendo di mezzo pure la sua compagnia di produzione nuova avrebbe trovato l'oro.

Sulla riservatezza di Lobo e Momoa, lo leggo piu come un "sisi lo farà ma facciamo finta di niente per ora dai".
Per cosa sarebbe così entusiasta sennò, se non sanno nemmeno di arrivare a fare un terzo Aquaman???

Buona osservazione sul fatto che ormai si buttano fuori film anche porcate tanto per fare cassa e fregarsene delle qualità.
Marvel al punto dove sta ora se lo può anche permettere, ma da quando è entrata Disney a comandare la differenza si nota...infatti gli ultimi film non sono certamente all'altezza rispetto a qualche anno fa.
Non riescono a fare a meno di incastrarci uguaglianze non necessarie ai fini delle storie o funzionamento di personaggi, o la comicità forzatissima.
Fortunatamente qui anche in questo nuovo DCU sembrano voler mantenere un rating bello maturo dove necessiterà...tranne Superman naturalmente che come personaggio deve essere piu aperto possibile e quei personaggi solari che lo sono sempre stati pure nei comics.

[Man of Steel]

[Chocozell]

Certo che se non avessero specificatamente parlato di un giovane per "Superman Legacy", con la presenza di Authority, quel titolo e l'ombra di Morry, io mi ero già fatto un volo pindarico di pippe mentali...

Comunque Superman giovane e poi tenere Momoa, Gadotta e Miller non si può sentire.

[Man of Steel]

Tristissimo vedere come la WB abbia fottuto Zack Snyder, Henry Cavill e Geoff Johns, 3 persone squisite con una grande passione che non meritavano tutto ciò che hanno subito...

Auguro a loro il meglio del meglio e io credo nel karma, quindi...nuff said, just a matter of time.

Geoff è ritornato a fare ciò che adora, Snyder ha Rebel Moon e Cavill Warhammer, it's not the same but it's something.