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The Batman Who Laughs (USA) di Snyder & Jock

Aperto da Azrael, 21 Luglio 2018, 05:12:24

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Arkin Torsen

È la stessa idea del cosmic Rider: ho un personaggio che attira, anche solo esteticamente, e lo sfrutto al massimo.
La trovo una cosa normale e corretta dal punto di vista commerciale.
Spero di trovare il tempo per leggere i primi due numeri per farmi un'idea e nel caso comprare il volume.
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Ma come si parlava nell'altro topic, una sovraesposizione ammazza il potenziale di questi pg!
Poi con una mini di 6 numeri cosa potrà mai raccontare? Tanto valeva sfruttare JL e bon...
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Arkin Torsen

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Non sono d'accordo. Per come la vedo io la sovraesposizione ammazza se il prodotto fa schifo. Non a prescindere.
In generale, ma qui va a gusti, preferisco le mini alle maxi.  Si può raccontare qualcosa di buono anche con un solo numero, basta saperlo fare, scegliere i temi giusti, scavare nei momenti precisi.
Inoltre secondo me è affrettato parlare di sovraesposizione per personaggi inventati da due anni (anche meno). Trovo più appropriato parlarne per esempio per Batman, a cui sono dedicati tanti fumetti, oppure per Wolverine ai tempi in cui era ovunque.
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Sovraesposizione, proprio per etimologia, non è che sia una bellissima cosa...
In questo caso non serve aver letto la storia per poterla tirare in ballo, nel senso che sappiamo già che Snyder dedicherà una mini di 6 numeri e poi numeri della sua JL su questo pg, uno nato sulle pagine di Metal, quindi l'altro ieri.
Cioè avesse ripreso la Corte dei Gufi, allora lo avrei anche capito, ma cazzo ancora 'sto BatJoker? :lol:
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Jacopo

Citazione di: Arkin Torsen il 12 Dicembre 2018, 22:05:02
È la stessa idea del cosmic Rider: ho un personaggio che attira, anche solo esteticamente, e lo sfrutto al massimo.

Anche perché non sarà popolare per sempre, quindi o lo sfrutti ora o hai sprecato un'occasione.

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Arkin Torsen

Citazione di: Man of Steel il 12 Dicembre 2018, 22:46:50
Sovraesposizione, proprio per etimologia, non è che sia una bellissima cosa...


Sì, esatto, è proprio per etimologia che è fuori luogo parlare di sovraesposizione per un personaggio "appena" creato.
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Sì erm...ok, dal giugno del 2017, poi ora siamo quasi nel 2019, sa fem? Andiamo fino al 2021 a parlare ancora dell'universo Nightmare, i vari pg "Batmanizzati" ecc...?
Anche no dai.
Cioè se non è questa sovraesposizione io non lo so.... :lol:
Povero Snyder, zzo deve fare di più? :lolle:
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Arkin Torsen

Qua estendi un discorso che riguardava un solo personaggio. E comunque sempre e solo di due anni si parla. Non tanti, non in modo continuativo e sopratutto solo nei termini coi quali se ne occupa un solo autore.
Quindi la terminologia resta imprecisa.
Poi non ti vanno bene le mini, ma a questo punto sembra che tu non voglia neanche "storie" più lunghe.

Io la vedo diversamente, spesso la vedo in modo meno aprioristico, come ho esposto sopra, ma si vede che anche stavolta non ci becchiamo, fa niente [emoji1]
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The Batman Who Laughs #1
Written by Scott Snyder
Art by Jock and David Baron
Lettering by Sal Cipriano
Published by DC Comics
Review by Pierce Lydon
'Rama Rating: 6 out of 10

The reverberations of Scott Snyder and Greg Capullo's Dark Nights: Metal continues to be felt in the DCU with the release of The Batman Who Laughs #1. One of the most popular characters to spin out of Dark Nights: Metal, the Batman Who Laughs is a personification of the saying "you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself the villain," and stopping him provides an interesting challenge for Bruce Wayne - how do you defeat an apex predator when they are an exact match for you? Snyder's Detective Comics collaborator Jock returns for this limited series, imbuing this book with a sort of late-era Frank Miller-esque impressionism.

Snyder makes a great effort in this debut issue to catch readers up with the Batman Who Laughs concept, and I think he succeeds - after all, it's clear to see that the Batman Who Laughs is a deranged combination of the Joker and Batman. But in crafting a compelling salvo and then attempting to sell the mystery, Snyder doesn't seem to be on the same page as Jock. Long captions explain the inner workings of the opening heist, because they aren't particularly visual. Given Snyder's reputation for seeding out his mysteries, it seems that some of these details will undoubtedly be crucial to the conclusion of the arc, but the pacing almost places too much emphasis on them and might betray some of that eventual reveal.

As the plot moves forward, the rhythm improves, but it's not long before another deluge of captioning explains a plot point that is mentioned a page earlier by Commissioner Gordon. It's not something I want to call out as bad writing - it's not, Scott Snyder has proven more than a few times that he's more capable than most when it comes to writing comics. But the art doesn't do him any favors in terms of not having to put some of that information on the page the way it is. In essence Snyder, editors Katie Kubert and Davie Wielgosz and letterer Sal Cipriano have to find a way to make Jock's art work when it doesn't. A prime example is that previously mentioned deluge of captioning - Batman describes the details he's discovered about the decoys that take the place of Joker in Arkham and mentions their names. The panel shows multiple ID cards but Jock's art doesn't leave room for us to see those names. so what could have been a "show" moment turns into a "tell" moment. It makes it feel like the creative team is holding our hand when really they're making up for a poor storytelling decision by Jock.

It makes sense why Jock's art doesn't work for all readers, or really even all stories. His art trades in a lot of mood and tone that has little concern for details if they aren't absolutely peterinent. Jock uses a lot of creative inking where he just blocks out forms that you clearly understand and that's fine. Plenty of artists disregard light sources for the sake of dynamism or effect - Batman is a character that's easy to lean into that with because you generally want him shrouded in darkness.

But the result is a storytelling approach that deemphasizes setting which forces the colorist to work more - and this isn't David Baron's best outing. Baron's best pages are a couple of red and blue pages that feature Bruce and Gordon on a rooftop. Even though it's a short conversation, the contrast is stark. There is some slight texture and gradient in the blues that plays so well against the flat red and deep blacks in the rest of the panels. But Baron isn't nearly that consistent for the entire book - he acquits himself fairly well fairly well at first, but then things start to blend into a muddy mess of colors. At one point, the sky in one panel shares the same color with the road in another (and shares the same color with a house on another), only emphasizing the weaknesses in the line art. Later in the book, Baron washes the background in an awful yellowy-brown before half-heartedly returning to the blue and red palette in the finale that worked so well in one scene but sorely misses the mark when it could be even more impactful.

This isn't really what you want from a debut issue. I think that Snyder's script probably needed a little bit more than it got from Jock's art, and subsequently they had to adjust to make things work. Baron shows a couple of flashes of real inspiration here but overall, he's not able to elevate the line art or give the story the punchup that it really needed to be memorable. If you were a huge fan of Dark Nights: Metal and are really intrigued by the Batman Who Laughs, there's no question that this is a book for you. But solely from an execution standpoint, there's a real lack of synergy here.
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THE BATMAN WHO LAUGHS: THE GRIM KNIGHT #1
written by SCOTT SNYDER and JAMES TYNION IV
art by EDUARDO RISSO
cover by JOCK
variant cover by GABRIEL DELL'OTTO
blank variant cover available
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