Batman: Three Jokers (USA) di Geoff Johns & Jason Fabok

[Man of Steel]

Io devo ancora leggerla la storia perchè aspetto il volume completo ITA, ma a leggere il 99% dei commenti sul web, si va dalla merda più totale, alla storia scialba e inutile.
Ammetto che avrei tantissima voglia di leggerla, ma non vedevo una coesione così grande di dissensi dai tempi di HiC

Heh.

Io...boh, sto solo lasciando il tempo alla gente di metabolizzare come si deve certe cose.

Io per esempio ho trovato abbastanza noiosetti e pointless i primi due albi di Tre Joker... ma il terzo mi ha conquistato, nonostante tutte le forzature rintracciabili (e citate da alcuni utenti in questo topic) in certe soluzioni, tanto che sono finito - a dispetto delle intenzioni iniziali - a comprare il primo brossuratino italiano e a questo punto comprerò anche gli altri due. E già la seconda lettura del #1 l'ha reso un po' migliore, devo ammettere...

Hail Bramo!

[Tankorr]

Batman: What REALLY Happened to DC's First Joker?

https://www.cbr.com/batman-dc-first-joker/

Letto.

...ma la storia del Joker anni 40 da vecchio, da dove viene. Parlano di Dick come Batman, ma non è della gestione Morrison....che sia una di quelle saghe che proseguivano la Terra Pre-Crisi? quelle dove Bruce moriva, arrivava Huntress, eccecc?

Articolo interessante ma....un po' pasticciato: come si può parlare di storie anni 40 e del Criminal di Three Jokers senza considerare che esistono le Crisi?

[Chocozell]

Dick diventa Batman anche in Knightfall

Inviato dal mio Redmi 7 utilizzando Tapatalk

[Man of Steel]

Batman: Three Jokers' Geoff Johns & Jason Fabok Reveal the Secrets of the DC Epic

CBR: This has been in the works for a long time; it's been over four years since the tease at the end of "Darkseid War." Now that it's done, how has the experience of putting this story together been?

Geoff Johns: It's something that Jay and I had been talking about for a long time, and we were excited for the opportunity to tell a story with Batman and the Joker and Barbara Gordon and Jason Todd. And we had a lot of fun with it and I think, with Jay, this is easily the work of his career; it's so emotional and so powerful and so detailed. I'm really happy how many readers recognized how good Jay really is because he's such a modern-day master, you can see it in his work. And to be able to work with him on a Batman/Joker story that's a cool mystery, we really wanted to tell a story that's about the trauma that these characters have gone through, how it connects them -- it's something they share and all obviously deal with differently -- it was a really intriguing and compelling book to work on. It was a lot of fun, it was a challenge and I'm really proud of the work we did.

Jason Fabok: On a personal side, my family just gained another member, we just had a new baby. So the last several months, we've just been thinking about that, doing stuff around the house, and it's interesting because we spent so much time working on this story and then, leading up to it, I was very nervous for that first issue to come out. But once that first issue came out and we had such great critical reviews and people were loving it and buying it, all of sudden, all my fears were kind of disappeared, and I just had this feeling that this thing is going to be good and we're going to be rewarded for the hard work that we put into it. But then I haven't really thought about it much because of all the stuff with baby and getting ready for that.

It's kind of surreal in a sense that I'm glad it's finally out because it was such a big part of my life working on it for so long on this book. Just the fan response that I've gotten from messages from people, comments that I get, I'm really just really pleased at what we've been able to accomplish, our whole team: Geoff and I get a lot of the credit but Brad Anderson on colors did an incredible job; he's the unsung hero, we were giving him pages right up until the eleventh hour. And Rob Leigh on letters did a great job too, really did something unique with the lettering and things that we wanted. It's really cool to look back on it and I'm just glad that people have really liked it and responded well to it because we really loved what we were working on and spent a lot of time to put it together.

Johns: Yeah, there's so many amazing Joker stories out there told by so many talented people. It's very intimidating but also challenging in a great way. The thing that I think I think we had the most fun with, specifically, was dealing with Bruce, Barbara and Jason and what the Jokers have done to them and how they've dealt with it in their whole lives and evolving that a little further.

CBR: One of the things I love about this story is how dense it is, there's a lot going on in every panel. Obviously you're channeling Brian Bolland and John Higgins but also Jim Aparo and Neal Adams from "The Joker's Five-Way Revenge." What were some of your favorite artistic inspirations and influences?

Fabok: Next to my desk, I had "A Death in the Family," "The Joker's Five-Way Revenge" in the 'Best of Neal Adams' book sitting next to me. The Killing Joke was another one that I was constantly looking at and any opportunity that I had to give something a little wink-wink artistically, I tried my best to put it in there because I love that kind of stuff when I'm looking at art. There's all kinds of little things in the book that deal with the characters' history and even other characters. One of my favorite things that I did was when Batman goes into Blackgate Prison, there's Rupert Thorne and Doctor Phosphorous and Joe Chill. And their prisoner numbers are the dates of their first appearances in the comics.

I really tried to think of all these Easter Eggy kind of things and draw upon those things and really add extra layers of depth to the comic. Especially with The Killing Joke, going back and looking at The Killing Joke's panels, trying my best to try to put some of those moments and some of those things in the panels of Three Jokers. In Issue #2, when we show up at the Joker's house with the family, if you look at the house, the room is set up very similarly to how the Joker's apartment was in The Killing Joke with the hanging socks on the line and even the family picture of the Joker's family is hanging on the wall by the staircase. I really tried to do that stuff and had fun with it, and it's awesome when the fans online ask me if I did this or this and it's really cool when they pick up on those things. I almost kind of want to go back and do an Easter Egg commentary kind of thing because there's so much I put in there, I can't even think of them all at this moment.

CBR: Geoff, any moments you were really proud to unearth and bring back to the mythos?

Johns: The parts of the book I enjoyed working on the most and were so personal to me were just dealing with trauma and just having the time and the place to explore how trauma can affect people and how it can these people. Bruce, Barbara and Jason all have their own traumas, and this was always about, in a lot of ways, that they each have a different version of the Joker in their own heads. The Three Jokers refers to a lot of things, not just the mystery of it but also the different interpretations of the Jokers as seen through these three characters, what each one means to them. In some ways, it's what's holding Jason back, in some ways, it's what's driving Barbara forward, in some ways, it's what keeps Batman up at night.

And that element of the book with Barbara, Bruce, and Jason gave us the space and time to delve into their own personal stories about recovery. For me, that was what made it special. The mystery of the three Jokers, the action, that stuff is always fun to write and break down and explore and get into, but, emotionally, to have just the time and the place to dig into these characters and how this stuff is going to affect them and how they rise up above it; they do it because they're there for one another despite their differences. That was what was most uplifting to me, that we could tell a story about trauma and tragedy where we found strength. And even Jason Todd, even as much as he struggled, he finds strength, and he finds strength because of Bruce and Barbara, and they each help in different ways.

CBR: The most beautiful moments of this book are when Bruce has to psyche himself up just to talk to Joe Chill and then, in the finale, when he forgives him, which is something I don't think anyone expected. I was wondering if you could dig into that a bit more because it is kind of the emotional heartbeat of this.

Johns: It is, it's about healing: How can you feel right, and how can you feel wrong? And when we're telling a story about pain and healing from pain, Bruce's greatest pain goes all the way back to the beginning. One of the moments that surprised me, even writing the book, was when Bruce went up to Joe Chill initially to talk to him and the first time he opens his mouth, he's a little too quiet, he has to clear his throat and then he speaks. That happened while I was writing the script, and I think it was because I was there with Bruce. And the fact that Joe Chill gives him pause when speaks -- the Joker does not but Joe Chill does -- kind of told me everything about Bruce in that moment when it came to Joe Chill and the specter that Joe Chill is.

Much like the Joker, he becomes a bigger myth because you don't know his story, you don't know him, and Joe Chill is a bit of an enigma to Bruce and the readers as well. You don't know a lot about Joe Chill, where his mindset was, where he emotionally was, that night. There's not a lot that we've spent a lot of time on, at least with this version of Batman and his stories. And to have Joe Chill be something with layers that Bruce didn't expect, that the Joker exploited for his own use -- he wants to be Batman's greatest pain and, in order to do that, he's got to help Batman heal. That's ultimately what the Joker's plan was. But that moment, to me, was probably my favorite moment in the book, because it just happened while the script was being written. And Jason drew it so beautifully because I've never seen Batman hesitate or have to clear his throat to talk.

Fabok: The whole idea of Batman forgiving Joe Chill was something that was very, very personal and powerful for me, and it was really the plot point that really made me want to do this book and really fight for it. It was an interesting kind of thing because my whole life I've kind of sat there and thought the only way for Bruce Wayne be free and have a future and be happy is to come to terms with the deaths of his parents and possibly forgive Joe Chill. And that was a story I've always wanted to tell, even as a kid -- you can ask Pat Gleason about this because we had a conversation about what's the one Batman story you would want to tell that DC would never allow you to tell and my answer was I wanted to do a story where Batman forgives Joe Chill.

And then one day, here comes Geoff, and he had no idea this was a story that I wanted to do, and he pitches me Three Jokers and he says at the very end Batman is going to forgive Joe Chill. And that's when I knew this book was more than just a story, I had to do this; it was something that was preordained or something. I needed to do this book and fought so hard to make sure we could do this because I really thought that was such a powerful, powerful message that, as humans, we need to be reminded of. We need to be reminded of forgiveness and -- sorry if I get too preachy -- but love thy enemy. It's easier to love your neighbor when they're good to you but it's hard to love your enemy.

And just think about the impact that has on Batman: If Batman sees that there's hope, that the man who destroyed his life can change his life and Bruce Wayne can come to forgive that man and have peace with him, what does that do to Bruce Wayne as a character going forward? How does that change the way that he fights crime? Now there's hope! This isn't a man that kills his enemies, he tries to rehabilitate them and, guess what, he won. Joe Chill was rehabilitated and what does that do to Bruce Wayne going forward? It's so powerful! I'm sure someone's explored this before with Batman, but, for me, this takes Batman from the cliched Bruce Wayne we've seen so many times when he gets in his old age, and he's a grumpy old man and there's so much more crime rampant; this could actually have an impact on Bruce Wayne's life where he finds peace, happiness and maybe even wins the war on crime because now he has got hope.

That's such a powerful message and it's something that I've experienced in my own life, coming to terms with things and forgiving people and asking for forgiveness and being forgiven for things; it's such a powerful message. And Geoff has this brilliant way that he turns it as the Joker's idea to heal Batman, and, to me, that was pure brilliance and I think one of the most brilliant moments in all of Batman history and I'm just so thankful I was able to play a part and draw that story because it's just so personal and, to me, the whole story is about vengeance and revenge versus forgiveness. That and the consequences of revenge and the toll it takes versus forgiveness and peace of mind. That was my favorite plot point, and I'm just so thankful I got to draw it.

CBR: The big question that's been going around since this started, especially with all the big changes: Is this canon and do you two have a follow-up in mind?

Johns: That's a complicated answer. [Laughs] We started telling this story and worked on it for two years, and you can see by the pages Jay put into it and the likes of it, we tried to make this a quality book and worth the wait to put every ounce of our passion for the characters and the story into this. And I think it's up to the readers and the bigger universe if there's things in this that play out elsewhere.

Jay and I do have a story that we want to tell that springs off one of the many epilogues within it, and we can't really talk much more about that right now, though.

CBR: In the past year, you got to revisit Alan Moore tales with Doomsday Clock and Three Jokers and give them a slightly more hopeful, optimistic ending. Was that always the goal for Three Jokers?

Johns: I don't know if I'd call the ending of Three Jokers optimistic so much as revealing. It really came down to Bruce being the World's Greatest Detective and one of my favorite lines, he says "Not to sound like people think I do, but I'm Batman. I knew the Joker's real name one week after we first met." And Jay and I talked a lot about this, about why wouldn't Batman know and thought there might be an aspect where he does know. So we started to explore that and ultimately came up with this ending where there'd be a reason he wouldn't share it, there'd be a reason he wouldn't reveal it.

I think the last line is the most important in the book: It doesn't matter what the Joker's real name is, because that's not what the Joker is about. It's not about who he is and his identity, it's about how he affects people and how people see him. And that's what the Three Jokers means more than anything else: How do Bruce, Barbara and Jason see the Joker and how does the specter of the Joker affect their lives, their past and their future? That last line in the book, the Joker's real name doesn't matter, it's never been about that, about who the Joker is; it's about what the Joker does and what the Joker means to these people.

The ending is opening up a new door to other things and other ideas and the whole point of this story is to have your mind keep thinking, just like the ending of The Killing Joke. The ending of The Killing Joke, there's so much about what happened between Batman and the Joker at the end? There's all this talk about did he break his neck or not, something about that is so fun to let your mind wonder and not know what's it all mean. I think about playing with those same ideas in this with what's going to happen with Jason and Barbara and her father and Bruce and the Joker, how do their lives continue on, how do they keep healing. And this secret that Bruce has kept for so long is something Jay and I talked about and hit on and wanted to play with since the beginning, because he's the World's Greatest Detective and he's Batman. I think it's really interesting to think that he's known for this whole time.

CBR: This has been one of the biggest comic book launches of the year. How did you connect personally with this and why do you think it's been such a runaway success?

Johns: Hopefully, readers know that Jason and I put everything we had into this book, and we wanted to create a book that was special and a book that was worth your time, a dense book full of surprises, story and emotion. People love Batman and the Joker, there's so many amazing interpretations of the Joker, each one valid in its own way; so many great stories with the Joker. I think we were hoping it'd do well and were surprised by how well it did; it's blown us both away and we're really gracious for it and grateful for it. It surprised us and we're really thankful: You work really hard on a book, and you want people to check it out and hopefully enjoy it, and it's great to see so many people pick it up.

Fabok: Both Geoff and I are just fans of classic comics and there's a feeling that you get when you read a classic book and there's a magic to it and something special when you pick up a book like Watchmen or The Killing Joke, these kinds of stories. We really wanted this book to feel like that, and we really did love this book and loved working on it, and I think fans can sense that. They can sense when something is done out of passion and when something is done just to pump it out and put it on the shelves and make some money. We wanted to do this book because we love this book and love this story that we had to tell and we had a lot of fun working on this, and I put in a lot of long hours drawing this thing. And I think fans young and old, veteran comic readers and newer comic readers, saw what we had and they wanted to give it a shot and, like Geoff said, we're just so thankful for that, and we hope that we can tell more stories in the future with these characters but we'll see how it goes.

https://www.cbr.com/geoff-johns-jason-fabok-batman-three-jokers-interview/

Niente, clicco troppo con questa gente.

Spiacente, ma non sei autorizzato a visualizzare il contenuto degli spoiler.

So che a Geoff non piace molto fare questo genere di interviste (a differenza di Fabok), ma sono contento che abbia messo nero su bianco certe cose, ma sopratutto...di constatare che io le abbia interpretate nel modo corretto!

[Azrael]

Batman: What REALLY Happened to DC's First Joker?

https://www.cbr.com/batman-dc-first-joker/

Letto.

...ma la storia del Joker anni 40 da vecchio, da dove viene. Parlano di Dick come Batman, ma non è della gestione Morrison....che sia una di quelle saghe che proseguivano la Terra Pre-Crisi? quelle dove Bruce moriva, arrivava Huntress, eccecc?

Articolo interessante ma....un po' pasticciato: come si può parlare di storie anni 40 e del Criminal di Three Jokers senza considerare che esistono le Crisi?

Forse parla di Generations di Byrne 

[Tankorr]

Batman: What REALLY Happened to DC's First Joker?

https://www.cbr.com/batman-dc-first-joker/

Letto.

...ma la storia del Joker anni 40 da vecchio, da dove viene. Parlano di Dick come Batman, ma non è della gestione Morrison....che sia una di quelle saghe che proseguivano la Terra Pre-Crisi? quelle dove Bruce moriva, arrivava Huntress, eccecc?

Articolo interessante ma....un po' pasticciato: come si può parlare di storie anni 40 e del Criminal di Three Jokers senza considerare che esistono le Crisi?

Forse parla di Generations di Byrne 

Non ne conoscevo l'esistenza!

Sembra una gran figata 

[Azrael]

Lo è. A breve esce omnibus USA.

[Tankorr]

Ottimo, grazie. Cosi arriverà anche su Comixology, dove al momento non c'è

[Arkin Torsen]

Ho ordinato il volume americano, spero che arrivi presto!